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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 10:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I want a good sturdy am bike,to fit my downhill urge,what is a good all around bike iv'e rode dh bikes and the travel and comfort are nice,thinking am bike with 6" or so of travel.Any suggestions?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Norco.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:26 am Reply with quote Back to top

Anything 150-160mm travel with a HT angle of 66-67 should do the trick.

Morewood Sukuma is a good one Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:54 am Reply with quote Back to top

Duracel wrote:
Anything 150-160mm travel with a HT angle of 66-67 should do the trick.

Morewood Sukuma is a good one Wink


I agree with the travel, but a head angle of 66-67* is too slack. You'll flop over on skinnies unless the bike weighs 45 lbs by itself and climbing tech isn't great with super slack head angles. 68-69 degrees would be more ideal for AM use. My Devinci freeride rig has a 66* head angle.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:07 am Reply with quote Back to top

Mesozoic wrote:
Duracel wrote:
Anything 150-160mm travel with a HT angle of 66-67 should do the trick.

Morewood Sukuma is a good one Wink


You'll flop over on skinnies unless the bike weighs 45 lbs by itself and climbing tech isn't great with super slack head angles.
I'm trying to figure this out. I'm not following.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:32 am Reply with quote Back to top

It's real easy to get "wrapped around the axels" discussing geometry. I would worry less about and angles and such and worry about technique. A good rider can tackle anything on any rig. Learn the technique first, than worry about tweaks on the bike. Technique is what will carry you through a tough section, the bike will not.

With all due respect to Meso, most true AM rigs(new) START at 66 degrees and get slacker. New Enduro is 65.5 degree heat tube angle. As Bobby mentioned, a 150 to 160mm travel bike(I say why compromise on travel when most suspension platforms make for great climbers these days). What's more critical to how an AM bike climbs is cockpit set up, seat tube angle(steep) and as I said, most importantly TECHNIQUE!

With all of that said, what size bike are you looking for Avistar? My buddy is selling two newer bikes(14 Enduro 29 and 13 Stumpy Evo 29) in size Medium. They are really fairly priced and have nice upgrades(the Enduro has nice wheelset). You can find these in the swapmeet section here on TMTB.

The Enduro is a "Do All" AM rig. The stumpy just barely skirts the AM category if you are using the widely held idea of what an AM book should look like. Are you straight on what a headtube angle(and other angles mean)? Otherwise a lot of this maight as well be Chinese. Happy to explain.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:36 am Reply with quote Back to top

As for the technique part. Lindsey Voreis will be up in Sedona in a few weeks doing a clinic. She's a hella good rider, very enthusiastic and a great teacher. Might be a good way to wrap a fun weekend trip in with learning the "fundies" of mtbing. As wife trainer wife says, "you can't buy yourself into shape". The great thing is, you can buy yourself into "technique". Kinda... implementing the "fundies" is up to you. Cheers!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:44 am Reply with quote Back to top

Head tube angle works in conjunction with fork travel. A published head tube angle of 66* working with a 120mm fork will result in a much steeper effective angle if the frame was designed with a 160mm fork in mind. This is something to keep in mind if swapping forks and adjusting fork travel are in your plans.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Mesozoic wrote:
Head tube angle works in conjunction with fork travel. A published head tube angle of 66* working with a 120mm fork will result in a much steeper effective angle if the frame was designed with a 160mm fork in mind. This is something to keep in mind if swapping forks and adjusting fork travel are in your plans.


Ah I gotcha. Yes, this is true if you're piece milling a bike together. However, most manufacturers will be within a degree or so when we're talking about complete bikes within the same category.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:38 pm Reply with quote Back to top

This is an old thread. Mike (avistar) picked up a used reign.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:50 am Reply with quote Back to top

Lots of good info at least Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:28 am Reply with quote Back to top

Thank's to all who posted, like Evan said, I picked up a Reign, having a blast w/it.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:49 am Reply with quote Back to top

And I sold the morewood this week!

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