Welcome toTucson MTB
Site Info v2.2.2
Your IP: 54.224.121.67

Welcome, Anonymous
Nickname
Password

· Register
· Lost Password
Server Date/Time
21 November 2017 11:36:54 PST (GMT -8)

 
Tucson MTB: Forums


View next topic
View previous topic
Post new topic   Reply to topic
Author Message
JodyM2
Jr. Writer
Jr. Writer



Joined: Nov 08, 2014
Posts: 184
Location: Tucson

PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:42 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Horst link

Four-bar rear suspension
"Horst Link" suspension is a type of four-bar linkage suspension. It is characterized by having both connecting links pivot on the seat tube, with the lower pivot located above the center of the bottom bracket, and the rear axle being located higher than the pivot connecting floating link and lower connecting link.[10][11]

Specialized has bought several of Leitner's patents which they use for their "FSR Suspension". Several manufacturer have licensed the design from Specialized. Some European manufacturers, such as Cube and Scott, do use the same suspension design, but can not import it to the United States.[12] Norco, Canadian bicycle manufacturer also licensed the design from Specialized but further optimized the FSR system, calling their own system Advanced Ride Technology (ART).[13][14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_suspension#Horst_link

How important is the Horst Link? Now that the Patent has expired do you think more companies will start to use it? I see Transition is using it. I've always herd it was the best suspension system for braking & traction. I've never owned anything else so I'm wondering what a single pivot feels like. In reading this stuff on Horst Leitner I read that the Horst Link was designed for the AMP Reaserach Bike. Does anyone remember that bike one of the 1st full suspension designs. My rideing partner got one and the C clips on the fork would fall off during the ride.
http://www.amp-research.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/AMPB4_MBA_slider.jpg
 
View user's profile Send private message
JayD
Jr. Writer
Jr. Writer



Joined: Jan 15, 2013
Posts: 147
Location: Honey Bee Canyon OV

PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

My wife has a Santa Cruz Superlight. Single Pivot.

When I took it for a spin with the sag set for me...
HOLY PEDAL BOB! Good thing it has a rock hard climb mode on the shock or it would be a horrendous climber.

_________________
Getting into shape 20 miles at a time. 
View user's profile Send private message
thudd
Jr. Writer
Jr. Writer



Joined: Nov 07, 2013
Posts: 161

PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:21 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Chris Cocalis, Titus/Pivot understood what Mr Leitner was trying to do with his Horst linkage. After leaving his Titus company and starting Pivot, Chris continued the search for the ultimate rear suspension linkage, incorporating Dave Weagle's link in his Pivot frames. What I see as the result, at this point, is that most major manufacturers have developed something close enough to the Horst link, either using the patent, or building something effectively the same with enough variance to avoid patent infringement. As far as the DW link, it has proven to be very effective in very specific parameters. Outside of these parameters, it becomes temperamental.
My opinion is.. marketing is key. Steer the customers eyes away from the rigid 26er!!!
 
View user's profile Send private message
Evil_Patrick
Centurion
Centurion



Joined: Sep 26, 2008
Posts: 1730
Location: Trapped in a humanoid carcass

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:18 am Reply with quote Back to top

Having owned Horst Link bikes from 1998 until 2008, and then switching to DW Link bikes, it is my opinion (only) that the DW is far more efficient for snappy acceleration and the HL is more supple. I choose snappy and my overall avg speed is faster and I can ride longer rides due to having more reserve energy. My bike computer supports my assessment.

_________________
--Evil Patrick

http://www.youtube.com/user/patrel

http://www.reverbnation.com/kaleidoscopesundae

http://soundcloud.com/patrick-shannon-mckiernan

One bag of quikcrete at a time 
View user's profile Send private message
thudd
Jr. Writer
Jr. Writer



Joined: Nov 07, 2013
Posts: 161

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:17 am Reply with quote Back to top

I had to take my bike computer off my rigid 26'er. It added too much weight.
 
View user's profile Send private message
envy
Expert Writer
Expert Writer



Joined: Jun 10, 2012
Posts: 548
Location: tucson

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:22 am Reply with quote Back to top

My bike computer is heavy but I can play the Oregon trail on it still.
 
View user's profile Send private message
thudd
Jr. Writer
Jr. Writer



Joined: Nov 07, 2013
Posts: 161

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:20 am Reply with quote Back to top

envy wrote:
My bike computer is heavy but I can play the Oregon trail on it still.


Oh hell yeah! In DOS no doubt! I need to upgrade
 
View user's profile Send private message
nathan
Centurion
Centurion



Joined: Sep 04, 2008
Posts: 1344
Location: NE Tucson

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:54 am Reply with quote Back to top

https://archive.org/details/msdos_Oregon_Trail_The_1990



!Works on Iphone too

_________________
More Group rides near Tucson: http://www.meetup.com/Southern-Arizona-Mountain-Bike-Association/ 
View user's profile Send private message
nathan
Centurion
Centurion



Joined: Sep 04, 2008
Posts: 1344
Location: NE Tucson

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:59 am Reply with quote Back to top

Confirmation bias is a far more powerful force in forming peoples opinions when it comes to performance of almost anything.

If a person were to ask me what is better, the bike I am riding right now vs all other bikes, anything that comes out of my mouth will likely be so skewed the answer is not worth listening to.

If you happen to have a contrary opinion, you will not be able to listen, and will naturally seek out reasons that I am a bad source of info. I'm too young, too fat, to dumb, from CA, etc.

Welcome to consumer driven opinion, its a bitch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

_________________
More Group rides near Tucson: http://www.meetup.com/Southern-Arizona-Mountain-Bike-Association/ 
View user's profile Send private message
thudd
Jr. Writer
Jr. Writer



Joined: Nov 07, 2013
Posts: 161

PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:41 am Reply with quote Back to top

Yup... What nathan said
 
View user's profile Send private message
envy
Expert Writer
Expert Writer



Joined: Jun 10, 2012
Posts: 548
Location: tucson

PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:26 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I believe in you. Nate except for not keeping the corvette.
 
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:       
Post new topic   Reply to topic

View next topic
View previous topic
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You can attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
Forums ©

All logos and trademarks in this site are property of their respective owner. The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © 2007 by me.


Privacy Policy - Site Use Policy
 


Distributed by Raven PHP Scripts
New code written and maintained by the RavenNuke™ TEAM


(Original PHP-Nuke Code Copyright © 2004 by Francisco Burzi)
Page Generation: 0.18 Seconds